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Post by Puffdaddy on Tue 22 Nov 2011, 10:28 pm

I have a blue hippo tang that is getting white spots on his fin and body. I tested water everything good except salinity was way too high. But am in process of lowering it now. What can I do about tang. I don't have a quarantine tank setup yet either. Please help

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Post by aaronmc_43 on Tue 22 Nov 2011, 10:47 pm

If you live around nacogdoches I have a 20 you can use. And are you sure its not ick
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Post by Puffdaddy on Tue 22 Nov 2011, 10:53 pm

Have no idea. I think it probably is. So does he have to be separated ?

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Post by aaronmc_43 on Tue 22 Nov 2011, 11:17 pm

do you have any other fish and how many? is he new and if so then yes separate him from the rest. if its not a new fish then there is no telling where the ick came from so and in that case i would treat the whole tank but get another opinion before doing anything. if you dont have a hospital then you might have to treat your whole tank anyways.
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Post by Puffdaddy on Tue 22 Nov 2011, 11:41 pm

Have 6 other fish. But I can get another tank Tomorrow.

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Post by matt_longview on Tue 22 Nov 2011, 11:53 pm

I've got a 12g eclipse without a light you can use as a QT for any of the smaller ones if it will help you.

Just let me know if you need it.
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Post by taimoortwm on Wed 23 Nov 2011, 12:09 am

I used to have that problem. it was the water quality issue. the only survivor was my yellow tang by the Fresh water treatment.
Good luck Buddy!
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Post by matt_longview on Wed 23 Nov 2011, 12:43 am

Ich is a parasite that exists in almost every tank. Even with quarantine, it's difficult to keep it out of a tank entirely. Typically your fish's immune systems will be strong enough to fight off these parasites and keep them from effecting them to the point that you'll see the white spots and other symptoms. When you see all of the symptoms, it's best to remove all of the fish from the reef and treat in a hospital tank that is fish only. Leave them out of the reef tank for 4-6 weeks to give the remaining eggs in the tank time to hatch, not find a host because of the lack of fish, and die without producing more eggs.

In the hospital tank, use an ick treatment in the water and initial freshwater dips on the fish. Once they return to the reef tank (after 4+ weeks), be very careful to keep water quality excellent:
Temp 78ish
Salinity - 1.024ish
Ammonia - 0
Nitrite - 0
Nitrate - 5 or less
Phosphate - undetectable on most kits, 0.02 if testing with a quality kit

Also keep stress low by feeding quality food, keeping fewer fish and stocking compatible fish. This will keep the fish's immune systems strong, and capable of fighting off future ick attacks.
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Post by aaronmc_43 on Wed 23 Nov 2011, 10:01 am

Why not just treat the main system with fish in it. Wouldn't render the same results and without the added stress to the fish from being moved.
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Post by matt_longview on Wed 23 Nov 2011, 10:17 am

Ich treatments can potentially kill your bacteria and potentially even your inverts, snails, shrimp, crabs and corals. Some are listed as reef safe, but they still use the same chemicals that kill the inverts and bacteria... they just try to balance and keep it in small enough doses that the larger inverts survive but enough of a dose to kill the ich. You can still potentially destroy your bacteria and recycle your tank. If a full bioload of fish are in a tank while it recycles while there is already enough stress to induce ich, you're likely to lose at least one or two fish to the ammonia spike. Which creates a larger ammonia spike and starts the domino effect of a tank crash.

In a fish only QT tank you do many water changes, and keep the tank very clean. You'll also move sponge filters back and forth from the main aquarium so they get seeded with beneficial bacteria continually.

It's absolutely easier to treat in the tank, but if you're like me, you've got $1000 in corals and inverts, and $75 in fish.

Here's a great article on the subject: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/fish-diseases-treatments/52236-curing-fish-marine-ich.html
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Post by aaronmc_43 on Wed 23 Nov 2011, 10:50 am

What is the best ich treatment
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Post by matt_longview on Wed 23 Nov 2011, 11:56 am

Copper or hyposalinity.

Either of those methods work perfectly, but are completely unsafe for a reef. As a matter of fact, many people will not even house corals or inverts in a tank that has had copper treatment done in it at any time.
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Post by Yuma on Wed 23 Nov 2011, 1:26 pm

Copper will hurt/kill your corals and it will get into the silicone and leach out over time. There are some folks who swear once you've put it in your system you can never get it out. Probably an old wive's tale, but I do know that it can remain for long periods of time.

Personally, I've done the hyposalinity treatment. Kind of a pain, but definitely worked in my case so I can vouch that it is effective.

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