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Post by matt_longview on Thu 10 Feb 2011, 12:56 pm

This has likely been done already, but I guess I'm wondering why it isn't done much more often. Rather than setting up an entire setup for a frag tank, why don't people do a simple refugium type setup off of their sump?

Pump water up from their return area of their sump into a simple 10g, setup an overflow to drain right back into the sump on the other side. Throw a good light over the top and you're good to go.

Is that pretty common? I had this idea when I was dreaming about my next tank and wondered if everyone was already doing it this way. lol
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Re: Frag Tank Idea

Post by ritter678 on Thu 10 Feb 2011, 1:09 pm

I had a frag rack in my sump for a long time. I just took it out when I removed all my soft corals and got the big skimmer. I only had soft corals down there though because I didn't have a good enough light for sps.
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Post by Bryan on Thu 10 Feb 2011, 4:45 pm

matt_longview wrote:This has likely been done already, but I guess I'm wondering why it isn't done much more often. Rather than setting up an entire setup for a frag tank, why don't people do a simple refugium type setup off of their sump?

Pump water up from their return area of their sump into a simple 10g, setup an overflow to drain right back into the sump on the other side. Throw a good light over the top and you're good to go.

Is that pretty common? I had this idea when I was dreaming about my next tank and wondered if everyone was already doing it this way. lol

I am actually in the planning stages of that exact setup. 40 breeder as sump/fuge/mini frag tank. Will post the build when it starts. I guess great minds really do think alike. Razz
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Re: Frag Tank Idea

Post by matt_longview on Thu 10 Feb 2011, 5:01 pm

I was wanting a frag tank... but then I thought... why get all of the filters and skimmers and all that junk... why not just hook it into my system? All I have to do is get a T5 fixture that will fit a small tank (10g or less?) and I could put SPS on high racks and others on low racks or bare bottom. Super simple and cheap setup.
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Re: Frag Tank Idea

Post by Yuma on Thu 10 Feb 2011, 5:27 pm

Was reading a thread yesterday about a guy that did just that.

http://www.dfwmas.org/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=100&t=25991

A description of what his plans are is on page 7..."The plan will call for the return pump to the 200 gal tank provides water to the frag tank with its drain going back to the sump. There should be no problem with the sump flooding when there is a power failure. "

He actually gets it all put together on page 10. Anyway...just a little something to show that it has been done, and certainly in his case seems to work very well.

Also, that thread has a couple of amazing stories of how he has overcame a nasty algae issue and a real bad outbreak of flatworm that nearly wiped out his whole tank when he treated them and they all died at once. Interesting read if nothing else, and has some amazing pictures and documentation of his coral growth, builds, etc.

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Re: Frag Tank Idea

Post by BigBlue on Thu 10 Feb 2011, 5:47 pm

My plan for the 72 Bow Front:

Small frag tank on a drawer type shelf with flexible hose. This will allow me to pull it out and get to the frags. The light will be attached above the tank and will not slide out with the drawer. The flow will come from the overflow and then through the frag tank and then into the sump below it. No extra power head. Not much light will be needed since the tank will be custom built and just shallow enough for decent size gowth on a frag plug.
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Re: Frag Tank Idea

Post by matt_longview on Thu 10 Feb 2011, 5:51 pm

BigBlue wrote:My plan for the 72 Bow Front:

Small frag tank on a drawer type shelf with flexible hose. This will allow me to pull it out and get to the frags. The light will be attached above the tank and will not slide out with the drawer. The flow will come from the overflow and then through the frag tank and then into the sump below it. No extra power head. Not much light will be needed since the tank will be custom built and just shallow enough for decent size gowth on a frag plug.

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So you actually won't pull water from the sump. Water will overflow from the tank, gravity drain into the frag tank, which will overflow and gravity drain into the sump.

Very nice. Easier than mine. :-)

This is why I post these things.
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Re: Frag Tank Idea

Post by BigBlue on Thu 10 Feb 2011, 5:54 pm

That's the plan for my reactors as soon as I get time to get under my 125G. I knew to put a couple of extra T's in when I built it. **Kicking myself right now** Extra pumps just mean extra trouble and extra heat.
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Re: Frag Tank Idea

Post by Yuma on Thu 10 Feb 2011, 6:09 pm

Works the same way, except won't the water that is going into your frag tank be the scum off the top of your display tank that's falling over the overflow?

Difference with this design is that all you change from current setup is to add a "T" from your output to the display tank and run one to frag tank.....put a ball valve in and you could shut it off before pulling the tray out. Then it's clean fresh water to the frag tank, no extra pump needed.

Just a thought....

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Re: Frag Tank Idea

Post by BigBlue on Thu 10 Feb 2011, 11:16 pm

The scum only settles in the sump when you slow the flow down. The flow would be enough to keep the scum from settling in the frag tank. All of the scum settles in the return part of my sump where the flow is really slow. I'm sure most corals would not mind a good snack every now and then either.

I have thought both ways on the reactor though. Mine currently picks up a good amount of scum with the pump close to the return pumps. However, it gets cleaned frequently so maybe it would not matter. I have also seen others do it either way. Some claim that the scum will stay in the high flow pipe instead of flowing to the slower flow reactor pipe. Who knows!? Only one way to find out though.
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farg tank built into sump/refugium - great design

Post by TWBriz on Mon 21 Feb 2011, 5:43 pm

Found this while searching a similar idea - http://www.melevsreef.com/dfwmas/plin/115g_sump.html

Still think I'll end up getting a shallow 30-60 gal frag tank maybe 10-12 in tall. Glasscages.com has a few for some pretty great prices, the only thing is that you would have to wait until one of their conventions go through dallas or houston to pick it up because they do not ship most of their equipment.
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