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Post by reileywatts Wed 16 Feb 2011, 10:23 pm

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Post by reileywatts Wed 16 Feb 2011, 10:36 pm

Wanting to go to a sump, tank has been set up and running about 3 weeks, the skimmer is just a little too loud for the living room, so I would like to try a sump. I've had a saltwater tank for the last 6yrs but have never had a sump, needless to say, I have no idea what I'm doing. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by BigBlue Wed 16 Feb 2011, 10:41 pm

Looking good! I like the bow fronts and corner tanks. I like the different look.

A bunch of questions.....
- I can't tell.... Is your tank reef ready or will you need an overflow?
- Can you remove the center brace between the two doors?
- What is the distance of the door opening? Distance from hinge to hinge?
- Any critters yet? You may want to drain it and set up your sump.
- Could you fit a 40 gallon breeder in the bottom? 36" X 18"X 16" (L-W-H)
- What kind of skimmer do you have?
- How tall is your skimmer and what is the water level requirement?

That's enough questions for now! I prefer to squeeze and 18" wide tank under the display if possible. The wider tank gives you more surface area on the water. Plus, it gives you more room to fit a refugium in the sump.



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Post by BigBlue Wed 16 Feb 2011, 10:42 pm

Oh yea! Thanks for starting another tank build thread! Those are my favorite threads to follow!
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Post by reileywatts Wed 16 Feb 2011, 10:51 pm

I've always had just fish and live rock, only had a few beginner corals. Not had good luck with corals but since I'm starting over with a new tank I'd like to get the right set up and have a reef.

I can't remove the center brace....there would be a gap between the doors if I removed it. All thats in the tank is 100lbs of live rock and 65lbs of live sand. I think I could get a 30 gallon tank under there, depending on how wide it is. The skimmer I have is pretty tall, I got it from ritter678, the AquaC Remora with Mag pump.
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Post by reileywatts Wed 16 Feb 2011, 10:53 pm

I also have an Eheim Canister filter in the garage not being used
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Post by BigBlue Wed 16 Feb 2011, 11:01 pm

Sorry..... You would put the brace back on once you got the tank in. Most people have to remove and replace the brace to get a bigger sump under the tank.
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Post by BigBlue Wed 16 Feb 2011, 11:05 pm

Personally, I would go bigger than a 30 gallon sump for a 92 gallon display tank if possible. I will be putting a 50 gallon or 40 gallon breeder under my 72 gallon bow front.
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Post by reileywatts Wed 16 Feb 2011, 11:15 pm

I'll see if I can find a 40 gal that will fit. What else will I need? Can I use the canister filter? Sorry I have so many questions.
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Post by matt_longview Wed 16 Feb 2011, 11:29 pm

Questions are good. I would read up on filter styles. There are many... some people even run under gravel filters in a reef (few and far between... not recommended at all) but the best idea is to pick a filtering style that is proven and works in another tank similar to yours and recreate it.

I would search and research 90 gallon corner bow fronts, find successful ones and ask their owners questions about their setups, sump sizes, and filtering. Theoretically, if you take the same road they did, you'll end up with the same results.
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Post by BigBlue Wed 16 Feb 2011, 11:34 pm

Does the tank have the black overflow box built into the back of it? If not, you will need an overflow box. I have an extra one that is plenty big enough for your tank.

I prefer not to use a canister filter. They trap detritus and cause problems if not cleaned out frequently. You will also need a return pump. Honestly, all of this will not make sense unless you see it in person. Maybe we can get a video loaded up for you to see all the workings of a sump.
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Post by BigBlue Wed 16 Feb 2011, 11:47 pm

http://saltaquarium.about.com/od/startinganaquarium/ss/92gsetup.htm

Looks like most of the 92 tanks are using either a 29 or 30 gallon sump. That may be the biggest sump you can get under the tank.
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Post by reileywatts Wed 16 Feb 2011, 11:53 pm

A video would be great.....the tank does not have an overflow box. There are some pre-made acryllic sumps on ebay, what do you think about those?

http://cgi.ebay.com/30-Gal-Refugium-Sump-Wet-Dry-Aquarium-Filter-30x15x15-/110647676555?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19c31d8e8b
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Post by BigBlue Thu 17 Feb 2011, 12:03 am

I don't have any experience with that company but the sump looks nice and not a bad price either. However, depending on the flow, you may want to look into a sump that has more baffles for trapping micro bubbles. I prefer three baffles to make sure the micro bubbles do not make it to the return pump.

The overflow I have is rated up to 150 gallons. I used it on a 75 gallon tank for a long time. You will need one of these to get water down to your sump. I still have the one I put in the Sell/Trade thread.

https://etak.forumotion.com/t78-eshopps-overflow-box-pf1000-45
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Post by jmg32595 Thu 17 Feb 2011, 8:14 am

this has some good info on refugiums and diy projects that i have used
the site is melevsreef.com

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Post by J.Davis Thu 17 Feb 2011, 8:32 am

Where are you located? Could you possibly stop by and take a look at someones sump set-up? Actually seeing one up and running would be the best way to understand how to set-up one. I'm in Longview, you more than welcome to stop by. Seeing one with a HOB overflow box would be a plus too. You'll need to understand that as well.
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Post by reileywatts Thu 17 Feb 2011, 10:35 am

I'm in Flint, just south of Tyler
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Post by reileywatts Thu 17 Feb 2011, 10:52 am

I did some more measuring under the stand last night. Its gonna be difficult to put a sump in there of any size due the the design of the stand.
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Post by BigBlue Thu 17 Feb 2011, 11:56 am

Yea, that's the downside to corner and bow front tanks. I am dealing with that with my 72 bow front build. Just get the biggest one that will fit. That's all you can do.
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Post by reileywatts Thu 17 Feb 2011, 4:13 pm

I think the largest size sump o can get under there is a 19-20 gallon. BigBlue, I'll buy your overflow box if I can find a sump that fits. Thinking about buying a 19 gal off of eBay like the one on the link I posted earlier.
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Post by BigBlue Thu 17 Feb 2011, 10:39 pm

I also have a sump that is 24" Long X 12" Wide X 14" Tall. I am guessing that is either 18 or 19 gallons. It was the sump I had under my wife's 75Gallon tank. If your interested, I will sell it for $15.

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Post by reileywatts Thu 17 Feb 2011, 11:19 pm

Sounds great! I'll take it and the overflow box
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Post by BigBlue Fri 18 Feb 2011, 12:47 am

OK.... This will at least get you started with little investment. Then you can upgrade to something else later if you choose to.
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Post by reileywatts Fri 18 Feb 2011, 12:46 pm

When would be a good time to meet up? Also could you show me what else I will need to get to set it up? I'd like to get it running this weekend. Thanks
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Post by BigBlue Fri 18 Feb 2011, 2:36 pm

Sent you a PM.....
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